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mcjohna12 · Jan 06, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by phan

1- I hurd expertise wus gud
2-try and calculate ; you will see
3-i wasnt laughing about that ; i was laughing about you using "mana"and unless your an oldscool d2 player ; this is quite pathetic
4-Your saying you and your pet can spike me down in 1 second ?
I'll be happy to try this out and post the video here on guru ifyouwant x)

1-Energy isn't really a big concern, its the slot for something that has far less potential in a pure BM build.
2-Not really sure what calculation you mean, if its EL versus SaO, I've already posted the calculation and SaO beats EL by a longshot.
3-Not only D2 uses mana, infact most games use the term Mana. And a common mistake is considered pathetic?
4-My pet could of spiked you down in a couple of seconds with the old SaO, but now sadly I need to adjust the build.

Abedeus · Jan 06, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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3-Not only D2 uses mana, infact most games use the term Mana. And a common mistake is considered pathetic?

Sorry, but no. Only some HnS games use "mana". Others have something more original, like Energy, Endurance or that kind of stuff.

And yeah, trying to discuss things about a game where you don't know what's the word for game's "magic points" you use for activating abilities is a bit weak. It's like the first thing you should learn.

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4-My pet could of spiked you down in a couple of seconds with the old SaO, but now sadly I need to adjust the build.

And what do you do if I cast Shield of Absorption/Shielding Hands or just blind your pet/slow him down so I could just kite him, then kill you slowly?

See, here's the problem. You have no way of preventing the enemy from just protting himself till frogs do fractions.

mcjohna12 · Jan 06, 2009, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Sorry, but no. Only some HnS games use "mana". Others have something more original, like Energy, Endurance or that kind of stuff.

And yeah, trying to discuss things about a game where you don't know what's the word for game's "magic points" you use for activating abilities is a bit weak. It's like the first thing you should learn.

And what do you do if I cast Shield of Absorption/Shielding Hands or just blind your pet/slow him down so I could just kite him, then kill you slowly?

See, here's the problem. You have no way of preventing the enemy from just protting himself till frogs do fractions.

3-Populous, Diablo, GURPS, World of Warcraft, MapleStory, Fable...need i go on?

4-Once again you ramble on, talking about something far off the topic.

PLEASE NOTE this topic was made because i was wondering why SaO was destroyed, only to see people say its sucks in comparision to EL. Which i highly disagreed with.
What exactly does some monk skills and such have to do with this? nothing....and even so,you can say "Oh well i just cast this and then you can't stop me" but its all situational.

Once again Abedeus, either read what were talking about and then post, or don't post at all because your just proving your stupidity.

Abedeus · Jan 06, 2009, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by mcjohna12

3-Populous, Diablo, GURPS, World of Warcraft, MapleStory, Fable...need i go on?

4-Once again you ramble on, talking about something far off the topic.

PLEASE NOTE this topic was made because i was wondering why SaO was destroyed, only to see people say its sucks in comparision to EL. Which i highly disagreed with.
What exactly does some monk skills and such have to do with this? nothing....and even so,you can say "Oh well i just cast this and then you can't stop me" but its all situational.

Once again Abedeus, either read what were talking about and then post, or don't post at all because your just proving your stupidity.

3. Populous is zomgold. Diablo is already mentioned. GURPS - wtf? WoW - dunno, game bored me after 3 hours. MapleStory LOLZ, Fable - too easy and I played it long time ago, so I don't remember it.

4. I "ramble" about your blasphemy.

To be destroyed, it first must be viable. It was never viable. It sucked and still sucks, just now not so badly and it is better than SOME of non-Elites.

Sure, everything is situational. But your build depends on too many things.

1. Enemy doesn't have prots.
2. Enemy doesn't have interrupts.
3. Enemy doesn't use hexes or blindness or cripple.
4. Enemy doesn't move.
5. Enemy is an AI.
6. Enemy doesn't try to attack your pet or interrupt your "self-heal".
7. Enemy doesn't have self-heal.
8. Best if he's just a 60 AL dummy.

It also doesn't deal massive damage that wins PvP and PvE. The best part of your argument is "14.5 DPS". Sure, but that's a CRAPPY DPS. My Monk can go Mo/W with Dragon Slash and has better DPS and e-management than you. Also more survivability.

If someone really thinks SoA is or was good, he's living in denial.
And so is a person that claims his pet can spike.

mcjohna12 · Jan 06, 2009, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

3. Populous is zomgold. Diablo is already mentioned. GURPS - wtf? WoW - dunno, game bored me after 3 hours. MapleStory LOLZ, Fable - too easy and I played it long time ago, so I don't remember it.

4. I "ramble" about your blasphemy.

To be destroyed, it first must be viable. It was never viable. It sucked and still sucks, just now not so badly and it is better than SOME of non-Elites.

Sure, everything is situational. But your build depends on too many things.

1. Enemy doesn't have prots.
2. Enemy doesn't have interrupts.
3. Enemy doesn't use hexes or blindness or cripple.
4. Enemy doesn't move.
5. Enemy is an AI.
6. Enemy doesn't try to attack your pet or interrupt your "self-heal".
7. Enemy doesn't have self-heal.
8. Best if he's just a 60 AL dummy.

It also doesn't deal massive damage that wins PvP and PvE. The best part of your argument is "14.5 DPS". Sure, but that's a CRAPPY DPS. My Monk can go Mo/W with Dragon Slash and has better DPS and e-management than you. Also more survivability.

If someone really thinks SoA is or was good, he's living in denial.
And so is a person that claims his pet can spike.

3- Only proving you wrong because you THINK you know everything....which is quite pathetic

4-Amazing considering all you do is compare a BM build to some stupid monk,etc build....

On to the second set of numbers:
1-Um, as do most attack builds?
2-Interupt? Pet skills Don't get interupted. Only things that would get interupted i guess would be heals, in which case so do most heals? If anything the build I've stated have an advantage over most builds, as its able to use high damaging skills without casting time.
3-Same as 1
4-?????? First off if he moves he can't really do much, and secondly pets are able to run faster without abilities, than players (during attacks).
5-...

Your whole arguement is situational once again, and as I've stated my build has 2 skills of which are up to you to choose depending on your style, or the situation.

Actually it does deal massive damage, the calculation i gave was based on a BM using nothing but one pet skill over a period of 5 seconds. And for the last time stop comparing it to a monk, did you read the note I gave you on the last post? Please read it 5 more times.

Spiritz · Jan 06, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Enemy doesn't have prots.
2. Enemy doesn't have interrupts.
3. Enemy doesn't use hexes or blindness or cripple.
4. Enemy doesn't move.
5. Enemy is an AI.
6. Enemy doesn't try to attack your pet or interrupt your "self-heal".
7. Enemy doesn't have self-heal.
8. Best if he's just a 60 AL dummy.

Anyone got some popcorn an cola - i wanna sit bk an relax ... nah.
I assume the discussion is about pve skill/build or used to be - therefore i ask ... in pve since when isnt an enemy an ai ? - that sort of confused me .
Also correct me if im wrong but the damage you mention (14.5dps) is via pet and if rangers using a bow then add bow dmg as well , technically its the pet doing the dmg not you otherwise its like me saying " I got 10 minions up and my dmg is xxxdps " or me and 3 heros have like 40x XXX dps.
Its not really your dmg but your minions/pet.

Why bother arguing it out when no matter what u say someone else will screw it up an prove you wrong on either side and petty arguing specially about monk when topic was ranger makes you look way lost .

Btw pet/minion dmg was to shut you both up and to see how stupid your being - takes a big man to walk away from an arguement but a bigger idiot to keep arguing when big man has left lol

Abedeus · Jan 06, 2009, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Also correct me if im wrong but the damage you mention (14.5dps) is via pet and if rangers using a bow then add bow dmg as well , technically its the pet doing the dmg not you otherwise its like me saying " I got 10 minions up and my dmg is xxxdps " or me and 3 heros have like 40x XXX dps.
Its not really your dmg but your minions/pet.

Whoru.

If you get 12+1+2 in BM, 12+1 in Expertise, you will have 3+1 Marksmanship. You don't get any damage against a 60 AL target at all and you waste time attacking.

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Btw pet/minion dmg was to shut you both up and to see how stupid your being - takes a big man to walk away from an arguement but a bigger idiot to keep arguing when big man has left lol

Ending your sentense with "lol" shows much about you. Also, your =/= you're, until you find out the difference, stay in the shadows and don't lean out to nibble ankles.

Okay, remove the point 5. from my quote, as we assume you fight in PvE.

Your enemies can't have prots, self heals, interrupts, hexes, blindness, cripple, are immobile, don't attack your pet and have 60 AL at most.

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On to the second set of numbers:
1-Um, as do most attack builds?
2-Interupt? Pet skills Don't get interupted. Only things that would get interupted i guess would be heals, in which case so do most heals? If anything the build I've stated have an advantage over most builds, as its able to use high damaging skills without casting time.
3-Same as 1
4-?????? First off if he moves he can't really do much, and secondly pets are able to run faster without abilities, than players (during attacks).

1. Not really, as the moment enemy tries to use a prot, I interrupt it with d-shot or savage shot. You have nothing.
2. Your heal can be interrupted. And then your pet dies. And then you are useless because you don't have rez.
3. Blindness or Cripple on BA ranger + Mending Touch = where are those conditions? I don't see them. Also, you have room for utility like Remove Hex.
4. Where did you get that from? During attacks, you mean during the animation? Sliding, that is. And everyone has it. But Rangers usually are... RANGErs. They don't need to be close to enemy to deal more damage than any pet build.

Wait. I forgot, we are arguing why your pet will never spike a half-decent player, or why pets suck in PvE as a form of damage? Or why would you consider using anything except for Burning Arrow/Barrage+Splinter/Incendiary Arrows if you want damage in PvE?

Why am I even still arguing with someone thinking SoO was ever good? Oh, right, I'm bored.

mcjohna12 · Jan 06, 2009, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Whoru.

If you get 12+1+2 in BM, 12+1 in Expertise, you will have 3+1 Marksmanship. You don't get any damage against a 60 AL target at all and you waste time attacking.

Ending your sentense with "lol" shows much about you. Also, your =/= you're, until you find out the difference, stay in the shadows and don't lean out to nibble ankles.

Okay, remove the point 5. from my quote, as we assume you fight in PvE.

Your enemies can't have prots, self heals, interrupts, hexes, blindness, cripple, are immobile, don't attack your pet and have 60 AL at most.

1. Not really, as the moment enemy tries to use a prot, I interrupt it with d-shot or savage shot. You have nothing.
2. Your heal can be interrupted. And then your pet dies. And then you are useless because you don't have rez.
3. Blindness or Cripple on BA ranger + Mending Touch = where are those conditions? I don't see them. Also, you have room for utility like Remove Hex.
4. Where did you get that from? During attacks, you mean during the animation? Sliding, that is. And everyone has it. But Rangers usually are... RANGErs. They don't need to be close to enemy to deal more damage than any pet build.

Wait. I forgot, we are arguing why your pet will never spike a half-decent player, or why pets suck in PvE as a form of damage? Or why would you consider using anything except for Burning Arrow/Barrage+Splinter/Incendiary Arrows if you want damage in PvE?

Why am I even still arguing with someone thinking SoO was ever good? Oh, right, I'm bored.

How exactly do I have nothing? I have two skills of which are whatever I choose, this could be an interupt an extra heal w/e, damb your stupid, said it 3 times already.

You think pets suck at dealing damage? LOL
Tomorrow I dare you to scrim me, I'll show you just how "Bad" they are.

And once again all situational....you act as though you can bring 20 skills into combat.

Abedeus · Jan 06, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by mcjohna12

How exactly do I have nothing? I have two skills of which are whatever I choose, this could be an interupt an extra heal w/e, damb your stupid, said it 3 times already.

You think pets suck at dealing damage? LOL
Tomorrow I dare you to scrim me, I'll show you just how "Bad" they are.

And once again all situational....you act as though you can bring 20 skills into combat.

Learn to write "damn" and the difference between your and you're is pretty big.

Pets suck at dealing damage. I'm not talking about pressure, but pets alone suck at damage.

Scrims don't show anything. GW is a 4vs4 or 8vs8 game. Nothing less than 4vs4. Even HB is player + heroes vs player + heroes.

If you are fighting 4 enemies, you have 4x8 = 32 skills. And even if, as you said, they have 20 skills to counter you, they just need one. But I see you like pulling numbers out of air.

mcjohna12 · Jan 07, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Learn to write "damn" and the difference between your and you're is pretty big.

Pets suck at dealing damage. I'm not talking about pressure, but pets alone suck at damage.

Scrims don't show anything. GW is a 4vs4 or 8vs8 game. Nothing less than 4vs4. Even HB is player + heroes vs player + heroes.

If you are fighting 4 enemies, you have 4x8 = 32 skills. And even if, as you said, they have 20 skills to counter you, they just need one. But I see you like pulling numbers out of air.

LOL I like pulling numbers out of thin air??? Dude you really shouldn't talk.
Well if I'm fighting 4 enemies i guess I have 3 allies 1 of which is a monk to heal/ whatever....like I said all you do is play the "what if" game, and its nothing but situational events which mean squat.

Sure scrims don't mean much, but they can prove a few things, one of which is to never underestimate a pets damage.

And for your "your/you're" comment were not in english class kk? Its a forum, and a COMMON english mistake doesn't account for anything here, ok? So drop it nerd.

Tyla · Jan 07, 2009, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by mcjohna12

And for your "your/you're" comment were not in english class kk? Its a forum, and a COMMON english mistake doesn't account for anything here, ok? So drop it nerd.

He was giving you advice - although not very kindly, you might as well learn from it. Retaliating with such ill words only brings you down to his level.

Also, if you're pure Beastmaster, you'd be at range meaning it's easier for your own attacks to be evaded in whatever manner - leaving Enraged Lunge to be much more powerful in the process.

P.S: 1on1 means f*ck almost all of the time, this is a team game - if you want to 1on1, you've bought the wrong game. If you want a game like that, go grab a few mates and have a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors.

Jeydra · Jan 07, 2009, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by moko

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Originally Posted by Abadeus

Also, EL works only on RECHARGING skills. Comfort Animal is almost impossible to catch on recharge, Charm Animal never, Tiger's Fury is a waste.

this basically sums up how little you understand.

you use Tiger's Fury and Charm & Comfort will recharge.

MAGIC!

i'm done, i just had to point this out for the lulz

PS, no, in the hybrid r/p there are no energy problems. for PvP, it's definately enough due to various factors:> recharge of tiger's fury aint a problem either.

I'd write in big, bold letters here 'OWNED', if it weren't my style.

mcjohna12, I'd suggest you stop responding to Abadeus because it's pretty obvious he's trolling. If he had even played Tiger's Fury / Enraged Lunge before he wouldn't have made that utterly stupid post earlier, and if he had not played Tiger's Fury / Enraged Lunge what grounds does he have to argue with someone who has?

PS: this thread reminds me of the Ether Renewal topic long ago, and why I gradually came to have a low opinion of a certain guild. Members from that guild know something about Guild Wars, so they think they know everything, and post here on Guru bashing other people using 'knowledge' that is obviously inappropriate. Once confronted by arguments they can't counter, they squirm and wriggle and paint themselves into a corner defending wanding as DPS in Hard Mode PvE, and then have too much pride to admit they're wrong. There's no point feeding the troll. Leave him be and move on.

PPS: just so I'm not completely off topic, I'll say here that I've never really found pet-based builds very dangerous. I've not played with them and only against them, and I usually find a good Warrior / Derv / Assassin much more dangerous. Blinding the pet for example neutralizes the Ranger's DPS for all of the blind (you can't Antidote Signet a pet, Monks normally don't remove conditions off pets, pets don't get -20% Blind duration runes), and you don't get Deep Wound, and your attack damage is inconsistent. You don't get reliable KDs, cripple, interrupts. All you have is damage, and not a lot of it; your skills are even pretty obvious - see Enraged Lunge go off, hit RoF. Pretty much the only pet Rangers I've had considerable trouble with all base themselves off Rampage As One + either Hammer or Axe. As such I'm inclined to conclude that Strike As One never was good. In my memory I've only seen one Ranger use Strike As One as well (both before and after the update).

So - Strike As One was not good both before and after the update, so I don't really care if it's reverted or not, and this I believe is the position of most of the community.

distilledwill · Jan 07, 2009, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

So - Strike As One was not good both before and after the update, so I don't really care if it's reverted or not, and this I believe is the position of most of the community.

QFT - very concise and succinct reflection of what I think.

Spiritz · Jan 07, 2009, 12:30 PM // 12:30

The comment was aimed at both of you - im just showing that you two are acting as 2 little kids in a playground - "my toys better than your toy" thats what it sounds like.
Both of you doing this is stupid and will probably get the thread locked - no matter what 1 person says another will disagree - thats life and out of all the posts in this thread only you two are fighting - fighting over a skill which is pathetic and it doesnt say much about you as well.If you want to fight then take yourselves somewhere else and do it.
Im walking away now as i did my job in showing you both how immature your acting.
Think i`ll go join distilledwill & Jeydra down the pub for some mature chat and a beer

Abedeus · Jan 07, 2009, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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So - Strike As One was not good both before and after the update, so I don't really care if it's reverted or not, and this I believe is the position of most of the community.

Finally. Can we now please lock john in his cage?

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Im walking away now as i did my job in showing you both how immature your acting.

I thought you were gone.

But I forgot that maturity = pubs and beer.

Stormlord Alex · Jan 07, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Trolls, stop trolling.

Trollbait, stop being stupid.

[rampage as one] > all when it comes to killing stuff as BM, pets suck.

Now go home.

gerlin · Jan 07, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10

People should learn to appreciate trolls. They bring some humorous entertainment in our otherwise boring lives.
I love seeing people bicker over some pointless things.

On Topic:
I think we should all agree that the update to "Strike As One" is even worse then it was. It used to be an elite version of "I Am The Strongest!!" and thats that.

The reason beastmastery is so unpopular is because you need to spread your attr. points too much.
You need a lot of BM to get some DPS and you need some Expertise because you need energy.
That ultimately leaves little to no options with 8 skill for a weapon of your own.

And now for the real on topic: The reason izzy tinkered with SaO is because he thought, "Nobody uses this anyway! I change it and see what happens.
If people start to QQ too much i'll revert it and else i'll just leave it be and let it rot.

"
Seeing a Johny here is the only one that was pretty hard QQing about it Izzy's not gunna bother trying again.

Hugh Manatee · Jan 15, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

All I know is now I can use [Knee Cutter] to fuel [Never Rampage Alone] on my W/R for shins and grits, and gash without sever, or use NRA with [barbarous slice] instead of [sever artery] Then [Gash] and recharge that with [knee cutter] since I use no stance and I have an instant "heel" command that breaks agro if the pet goes wonky.... It would be better if the pet did the cripple and you did the bleeding, that way you'd have an interesting snare you could fling around at shout range, you could gash on cue...and it could use a cut in the recharge time, make it competitive with melandru's shot, crip shot or cripslash... and hell add the extra damage back in for the next hit...

In raw numbers the damage might be less viable but the tactical options of flinging your pet around instantly with something like [pounce] opens many fun, skill based avenues. Before there were 100s of options to boost the damage a you and a pet did, at least it does something unique and interesting now.

Also the guy who thinks +10 damage every couple seconds for up to 5 seconds is a better spike then +80 all at once was funny.... [Marauder's shot] was better for fueling enraged, you got a nice +30ish smack on top of your bow and could get +74-80 out of enraged with just charm, comfort and enraged itself. Add in your prep, Dshot, and a couple other things and you could have fun. Launch your pet in with the attack command, right before it attacked, hit marauder>enrage and boosh. Then 6 Seconds later do it again to something else

Tyla · Jan 15, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

PS: this thread reminds me of the Ether Renewal topic long ago, and why I gradually came to have a low opinion of a certain guild. Members from that guild know something about Guild Wars, so they think they know everything, and post here on Guru bashing other people using 'knowledge' that is obviously inappropriate. Once confronted by arguments they can't counter, they squirm and wriggle and paint themselves into a corner defending wanding as DPS in Hard Mode PvE, and then have too much pride to admit they're wrong. There's no point feeding the troll. Leave him be and move on.

Uber, that was months ago, I'm actually the only frequent "arguer", if you will of TAM (I don't play anymore anyway), and wanding is uber DPS which adds on to uberer DPS to create uberist DPS.

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Originally Posted by gerlin

People should learn to appreciate trolls. They bring some humorous entertainment in our otherwise boring lives.
I love seeing people bicker over some pointless things.

Same for the flipside, shit goes on. I prefer Newgrounds for it though now, arguing over a dead game doesn't seem as funny as it once did.

Oh yeah, Strike As One sucks.

AKB48 · Jan 16, 2009, 12:07 AM // 00:07

The skill fails both ways, both the old and the new, updated way.

Just look at how many people are using this skill and you will see why its only 1 or 2 people getting all hyped up and the rest 1 million or so as "no-response".